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Nowthen Road and Bridge Committee Mtg meeting, June 19, 2018

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Tuesday, June 19, 2018

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Minutes

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One-line summary

The Road and Bridge Committee amended prior minutes, heard Rhinestone Road complaints, debated quote/RCA authority for 2018 road repairs, and discussed revising the five-year road plan after higher Old Viking cost estimates.

What was on the agenda

9 items as recorded in the meeting transcript, each with a short summary of what was at issue.

  1. AI-1Approve or amend meeting agenda

    The chair opened with approval or amendment of the meeting agenda.

    minutes not available in this bundle

    • meeting agenda
    Outcome unrecorded
    0:2119:05 make a motion to approve or amend0:33meeting agenda for tonight's meeting make a motion to approve minutes from
  2. AI-2Approve May 15, 2018 minutes as amended

    The committee discussed amendments to the May 15, 2018 minutes, including removal of a sentence about Gypsy Valley and clarification of the Rogers Lake timing.

    The committee discussed correcting the May 15, 2018 minutes so that Gypsy Valley was not described as a recommended addition but as a separate road-study line item, and so the Rogers Lake timing from the prior five-year plan was clearer. A motion was made to approve the amended minutes.

    minutes not available in this bundle; transcript contains a motion listed separately

    • May 15 minutes
    • Gypsy Valley
    • Rogers Lake
    Outcome unrecorded
    0:54May fifteenth two thousand eighteen regarding two hundred and thirteen and2:39just wanted to take off of the mention that I recommend including gypsy Valley that just was a separate line item with3:46we had in 2021 we had identified half of Rogers Lake and then 20 22 was the other
  3. AI-3Floor items: Rhinestone Road concerns

    Residents spoke during floor items about Rhinestone Road conditions, including washboarding, drainage, culverts, gravel, and safety concerns.

    Residents raised concerns about Rhinestone Road, describing washboarding, poor gravel, culvert and drainage problems, vehicles sliding off the road, and safety issues on a dead-end road. The committee discussed that Rhinestone was on the 2018 gravel schedule and could be considered for future reconstruction through the road plan, but no immediate decision was made in the transcript.

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    • Rhinestone Road
    • gravel roads
    • drainage
    • road safety
    Outcome unrecorded
    5:09move onto floor items which seems like we have some guests here that have sustains to say our greeting that you're planning on6:01two years down the road the road is all12:15I got kind of a well it's I got a question for you if you couldn't if you24:43Joe if I understood you correctly you said that rhinestone is on a grabbling scheduled
  4. AI-4A2018 road repairs: RCA and quotes for Watercrest and 184th

    The committee moved to road repairs for 2018, beginning with a request for an RCA for Watercrest and discussion of quotes and the five-year plan.

    The committee revisited a prior motion to have Joe get quotes for Watercrest and 184th, but Joe said he believed he needed City Council permission before contacting contractors. Council members and committee members discussed whether an RCA was needed merely to gather quotes or only to spend money, and Dan said he would submit an RCA for permission to get quotes while also looking into clarifying the policy.

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    • 2018 road repairs
    • Watercrest
    • 184th
    • quotes
    • RCA
    Outcome unrecorded
    33:43we'll move on to road repairs for 2018 the a is request an RCA to be put in for34:36watercraft was going to go on to38:37811 feet or snow falling through requested that glaze ask north valley
  5. AI-4B2018 road repairs: Basalt ditch cleaning at 20450

    The committee discussed ditch cleaning on Basalt at 20450 because water was washing out the road.

    The committee discussed ditch cleaning on Basalt at 20450, where water was washing out the road, and then turned to culverts on Iguana and 270. The discussion emphasized that drainage ditches may not be carrying water where needed, so ditch and runoff issues may need to be understood before culvert repairs proceed.

    minutes not available in this bundle

    • 2018 road repairs
    • Basalt
    • ditch cleaning
    • drainage
    Outcome unrecorded
    48:20ditch cleaned on basalt at two zero four five zero waters washing out the road48:46last two Springs I had trouble in that one area and that
  6. AI-4C2018 road repairs: Iguana and 270 culverts and drainage

    The committee discussed culverts and drainage on Iguana and 270, including whether ditch drainage needed to be addressed before culvert work.

    The committee discussed ditch cleaning on Basalt at 20450, where water was washing out the road, and then turned to culverts on Iguana and 270. The discussion emphasized that drainage ditches may not be carrying water where needed, so ditch and runoff issues may need to be understood before culvert repairs proceed.

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    • 2018 road repairs
    • Iguana
    • culverts
    • drainage
    Outcome unrecorded
    49:21the culverts on vinegar and 270 so we're adding something here1:00:02the culverts on iguana that did come up it's a council meeting when Shane our city engineer was having1:00:38drainage ditches are not necessarily draining they're getting more full so it the discussion was before we necessarily
  7. AI-5Five-year road improvement plan

    The committee discussed the five-year road improvement plan, including Old Viking estimates, whether to reserve more money for repairs, and whether the plan should be extended or revised.

    The committee discussed revising the five-year road improvement plan after Old Viking estimates rose sharply, including a prior $540,000 overlay estimate, an updated $657,000 overlay estimate, more than $100,000 in added estimated cost, and a possible reclaim cost over $700,000. Members also discussed keeping more money available for repairs, incorporating nearby roads into projects when logical, and ensuring the plan remains a continuing agenda topic.

    minutes not available in this bundle; transcript contains a motion listed separately

    • five-year road improvement plan
    • Old Viking
    • Pinnacle Lake Estates
    • road repair budgeting
    Outcome unrecorded
    1:04:59three five-year road improvement plan which I don't know if we have a lot to1:05:45the council decided that we need to really re-evaluate these situations and and if1:17:43I think it's gonna be an ongoing process all the time it doesn't mean we got to talk about it every month1:28:05make a motion to continue it next month but I don't know that so that's a separate I think I'm just I think it's gonna always be an ongoing discussion
  8. AI-6County or state road funding question

    The committee briefly asked whether the City was still receiving county or state money designated for roads.

    Near the end of the meeting, a member asked whether the City was still receiving county or state money designated for roads. The response in the transcript was that 2019 numbers had not been heard yet, though members recalled that some money had been received before.

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    • road funding
    • state aid
    • county aid
    Outcome unrecorded
    1:29:50still getting any money from the county or the state that this doesn't made it for rules I have not heard and I believe1:30:33okay I didn't I you know I thought we did get some money before we did get it the only but not
  9. AI-7Adjournment

    A motion to adjourn was started near the end of the transcript.

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    • adjournment
    Outcome unrecorded
    1:30:49yeah Jo did I make the motion to adjourn1:31:10got a UH

Motions and votes

3 motions on the record.

  • M-1Approve council member changes.

    Exact transcript text

    approve council member changes

    Passed

    all in favor

    4:29amended I'm in prove the amended minutes so there's will be a motion then to4:38approve council member changes second4:52here all in favor and we'll move on to
  • M-2Always discuss and attend a five-year road improvement plan.

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    always discuss and attend a five-year road improvement plan

    Passed

    all in favor aye

    1:28:28I will make1:28:28a motion to always discuss and attend a1:28:37five-year road improvement plan it it's not ever gonna just go away I mean it's somewhere always continuous1:29:11I'll second that motion1:29:44oh you second I didn't go all in favor aye I want I do have one question are we
  • M-3Make the motion to adjourn.

    Exact transcript text

    make the motion to adjourn

    Outcome unrecorded
    1:30:49yeah Jo did I make the motion to adjourn1:31:10I'm making the motion here somebody's watching on YouTube saying I

Prior history on this business

When someone referred back to earlier business, we found the matching prior discussion and tied it in here.

  • there's a separate line item or separate project from the road study from last year that included gypsy Valley two hundred thirteenth and I

    What this is about
    A member recalled that Gypsy Valley, 213th, and Basalt were a separate project from the prior year's road study, not a new recommendation to add Gypsy Valley.

    1:34there's a separate line item or separate project from the road study from last year that included gypsy Valley two hundred thirteenth and I

    Related history

    The records show a partial match. In the materials for the June 9, 2026 City Council meeting, the Capital Improvement Plan included “Additional Road Improvement Project” entries for 2027, 2028, 2029, and 2030. Each described “additional patching or overlay on city streets” and listed Gypsy Valley Road and 213th Avenue among roads expected to be at or near the end of their service life by 2030. Each annual project showed a budget impact of $120,000, with the note that $120,000 per year was available through 2030 and $240,000 per year beginning in 2031. The search results do not show Basalt in that same list, and they do not include a formal vote or a record clearly identifying these roads as a separate project from a prior-year road study. So the available records support that Gypsy Valley and 213th were already included in the CIP road-improvement planning, but they do not fully confirm the recalled “separate line item” or the inclusion of Basalt.

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  • in all the years not I don't recall rhinestone being in a gravel plan it's

    — chair and Joe

    What this is about
    The chair asked whether Rhinestone had ever been in a gravel plan and Joe responded that it was in the 2018 plan.

    18:45in all the years not I don't recall rhinestone being in a gravel plan it's18:58ended for this year 2018 so when was the

    Related history

    The records searched show a related gravel-plan action, but they do not confirm the specific recollection that Rhinestone was included in a 2018 gravel plan. At the April 9, 2019 meeting, the Council approved Resolution 2019-30, the 2019 Dust Control & Gravel Plan. The resolution noted a 2019 dust-control budget of $45,000, that this would not cover all 25.5 miles of gravel roads at then-current prices, and that staff was compiling a 5-year Gravel Plan to present later. The search results provided do not include the 2018 gravel plan itself, and the 2019 resolution excerpt does not mention Rhinestone by name. So the records searched show prior Council action on gravel planning, but only a partial match to Joe’s statement.

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  • from last month's meeting looking back on my notes

    — chair

    What this is about
    The committee tried to reconstruct what had been decided at the previous month's meeting about Watercrest and quotes.

    34:26of course what we had from from last month's meeting looking back on my notes37:25and it's in the minutes

    Related history

    The records searched do not contain a prior decision matching the recollection about “Watercrest and quotes.” The closest matches are from the June 11, 2019 meeting packet, which notes that Administrator Derus briefly discussed skid-loader quotes, Mayor Pilon asked why there were no other quotes or options, and Council asked staff to obtain quotes on other machines. No formal vote is shown in that excerpt. The same June 11, 2019 packet also lists “Quote/Budget for Recycling Building Repair to Prevent Water Issues,” but it says that matter had already been discussed earlier in the regular meeting. The search results provided do not show the details of that earlier discussion or any recorded vote on Watercrest.

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  • May 15 2008 teen road repairs for 2018 number 2 ABF and that's

    What this is about
    A member read from the May 15, 2018 minutes to recall the earlier motion about getting culvert quotes.

    37:25right here May 15 2008 teen road repairs for 2018 number 2 ABF and that's37:34culverts I made the motion for Joe to get quotes from subcontractors to breath

    Related history

    The records I searched do not contain the May 15, 2018 minutes or any prior decision matching the recollection about a motion to get culvert quotes. The search results returned unrelated later packet material, including 2024 committee/training items and 2026 police/public works packet pages, but nothing about 2018 road repairs, ABF, or culvert quotes. So, based on these results, I cannot confirm the date, motion language, vote, or any dollar amount for the culvert-quote item.

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  • it was the attorney was

    — Joe

    What this is about
    Joe recalled a January or February attorney discussion that he believed changed what permission he needed before spending money or arranging work.

    51:57it was the attorney was52:04in here January February he made a52:13comment from another city the council member or something had a work done and city didn't have to pay that guy they

    Related history

    The records I searched do not contain a January or February attorney discussion matching Joe’s recollection that his spending or work-arranging authority changed. The closest items are procedural or unrelated: at the March 10, 2026 meeting, the council approved the February 10, 2026 minutes as part of the consent agenda, but the search result does not show the substance of those February minutes; and the April 14, 2026 packet included a proposed resolution approving a prosecuting services agreement with Beck Law. The April 14, 2026 packet also includes road crack-sealing proposals, including a $117,000 proposal from Bertram Asphalt, but the search results do not show a prior attorney opinion or council vote changing what permission was required before spending money or arranging work.

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  • you already go ahead ditch and iguana there what two

    — Dan and Joe

    What this is about
    The committee recalled prior ditch work on Iguana and discussed whether the last work was two or three years earlier or when the development was first built.

    1:01:14you already go ahead ditch and iguana there what two1:01:19years ago three years ago okay no and1:01:40yeah that's what's the what Shane recall was the last time work was done on those ditches was when the roads were put in the development was put in in the first

    Related history

    The records I searched do not contain a prior decision or discussion matching the recollection of ditch work on Iguana Street, or whether that work occurred two or three years earlier or when the development was first built. The search results include unrelated references: at the June 9, 2026 meeting packet, Iguana Street appears in a Sheriff’s report about a trespassing incident, and “ditch” appears in Anoka County comments on the Viking Estates plat about restoring ditch sections along CSAH 22. Neither record documents city-authorized ditch work on Iguana or a prior vote on that work.

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  • we the road and bridge committee approved to council our five-year plan in the it was either October or November

    — Dan

    What this is about
    Members recalled when the prior five-year plan had been approved and how long the first project took to reach award.

    1:20:40we the road and bridge committee approved to council our five-year plan in the it was either October or November I think it I1:20:50think it was an hour October meeting I've ever been there little never November council meeting so it took six

    Related history

    The records I searched do not contain a prior October or November Road and Bridge Committee recommendation or Council approval of a five-year road plan matching this recollection. They also do not show the timing of the “first project” from plan approval to award. The only related item in the search results is in the May 12, 2026 packet, which includes a proposed 2026 Overlay Road Improvement Project with estimated total costs of $462,800, including proposed assessments and City costs. That document does not identify when a five-year plan was approved or when a first project was awarded.

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  • 0:21 19:05 make a motion to approve or amend
  • 0:33 meeting agenda for tonight's meeting make a motion to approve minutes from
  • 0:54 May fifteenth two thousand eighteen regarding two hundred and thirteen and
  • 1:25 the culvert there was a comment in there
  • 1:34 that I recommended including gypsy Bailey wrote there's a separate line item or separate project from the road study from last year that included gypsy Valley two hundred thirteenth and I
  • 1:44 can't remember the third one off the top my head but that's a separate project it wasn't necessarily included and there was a lot of discussion about
  • 1:54 talking to Brad to see what we could do that I think that isn't necessarily minutes to first first some of these
  • 2:02 projects know just excuse me go ahead Danny turnabout Mayan item see yes and
  • 2:08 so the 21 by 60 foot on 213 table right it was two hundred two hundred thirteenth gypsy Valley and I believe it
  • 2:17 was basalt as a separate project listed
  • 2:26 in from from last year and what did you want to change I just I
  • 2:39 just wanted to take off of the mention that I recommend including gypsy Valley that just was a separate line item with
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